Anonymous: How can you be anti feminist? Do you not believe in equality?

getoveryourselflady:

womenagainstwomyn:

orihime-strawberry-love:

abunchofassholes:

crocodilegena:

orihime-strawberry-love:

*facepalm* that is literally the most ignorant thing anyone can ever say.

I am against feminism because feminists complain women have it worse than men and that they are oppressed. Please read all sources before making a response.

Men suffer more casualties in war

currently, women are not even required by law to register for selective service, but even mentally challenged and physically disabled men are, in addition to all the healthy ones)


In contrast, women get every veteran’s benefit a man does, yet comprise less than 3% of combat deaths or casualties and a woman makes the cover of Time magazine (person of the year/2003 standing in front of two men.

Men have it rough in the workplace

  • Men are 93% of industrial deaths and accident (NIOSH)

  • Even though murder is the leading workplace cause of death for women, a statistic often used by gender feminists, that number is only a percentage of the 6% of workplace deaths that women comprise.  In other words, a fraction of a small fraction.

  • One example:

    Between 1890 and 1917, two hundred thirty thousand (230,000) [male] railroad workers were killed. One of the most dangerous jobs was “brakeman.”  Each car had to be stopped manually and it was the brakeman’s job to stop four or five cars.  The brakeman walked on top of the RR cars and turned a wheel, putting the brakes “on” for each car.  It was not unheard of for a brakeman to be thrown from the top of a RR car.

    Source:  Freight Trains, Modern Marvels, The History Channel, 2006


Men die more often from unnatural causes than women


Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims

Other facts regarding men and rape:

Men get screwed over in divorce and custody courts

  • A woman is the party filing for divorce in about 66% of divorce cases.

    “How often was it that many more of women wanted the divorce more than the men?
    2/3. The same as the amount responsible for divorce filings. And yet another study of divorced couples found that the majority of divorced wives and husbands both agreed it was the wife who wanted out.”
  • Women receive custody in about 84% of child custody cases.

    In the spring of 2002, an estimated 13.4 million parents had custody of 21.5 million children under 21 years of age whose other parent lived somewhere else. About 5 of every 6 custodial parents were mothers (84.4 percent) and 1in 6 were fathers (15.6 percent), proportions statistically unchanged since 1994

According to Los Angeles divorce consultant Jayne Major:

“Divorced men are often devastated by the loss of their children. It’s a little known fact that in the United States men initiate only a small number of the divorces involving children. Most of the men I deal with never saw their divorces coming, and they are often treated very unfairly by the family courts.’”

  • Paternity fraud is rampant in the U.S.

    30% of those named as fathers who test for paternity find they are not the biological father.
  • Not only is all this imbalance around marriage and children unfair to men, we must also consider that the damaged inflicted on fatherless children is staggering:

        63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.

        90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.

        85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)

        80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)

        71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)

        75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average. (Rainbows for All God’s Children)

        70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)

        85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

Men are often screwed over in the Justice System as well.

  • There is blatant anti-male discrimination in the criminal justice system and the sentencing disparity between men and women exceeds that between whites and any other minority.
  • Avg sentences for crime by gender:

    Female – 18.51 months
    Male – 51.52 months
  • “Judge bashes Probation Department for gender bias in favor of leniency for girls”
  • The 2006 United States’ rate of incarceration of 751 inmates per 100,000 population is the highest reported rate in the world, well ahead of the Russian rate of 628 per 100,000.

    93% of the prison population is male with over 60% having no High School education.   America has now passed Russia as the country that has the largest percentage of its population incarcerated, yet we still claim to be the freest country on earth.

    The number of persons on probation and parole has been growing dramatically along with institutional populations. There are now 7.2 million Americans incarcerated or on probation or parole, an increase of more than 290 percent since 1980.
  • The problem of sentencing disparities is compounded by an epidemic of false accusations:

    205 (and growing) wrongly convicted people have been exonerated by DNA evidence since the beginning of the Innocence Project.

    204 of the wrongly convicted were men.

    Most of them were falsely imprisoned for rape.
  • As we saw in the Duke Lacrosse rape case  fiasco, false accusers are rarely prosecuted and when they are it is only as a misdemeanor (at most), while rape itself is vigorously prosecuted as a felony. The Duke false accuser, Crystal Gayle Mangum went on to commit assault, arson and finally murder before authorities made a good faith intervention.

    One attorney speaking at premiere for the movie, After Innocence, estimates that there are between 20,000 and 100,000 wrongly convicted still in prison.

    Valid research puts the estimated false rape reporting rate at 41%

Capital Punishments Target Men Almost Exclusively

  • Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, there have been over 1,200 executions in the United States. Eleven of them, or less than 1%, were women. This stands in stark contrast considering women commit, by DOJ estimates, 10% of all murders, are involved in 35% of all domestic homicides (are involved often means they get other people to kill for them) and nearly 30% of murders where the victim was another family member.

Other:

  • We hear a lot about the historical oppression of women’s voting rights, but few if any women who were born in the 20th century were every without the right to vote in their lifetime, upon reaching legal voting age.  On the other hand, around 2400 hundred California men (42% of CA men killed in Vietnam) gave their life for their country without being allowed by their country to vote.  The exact number is 2,381.  Four of the twelve Iwo Jimo flag raisers died for their country without their country ever allowing them the right to vote.
  • “The youngest Vietnam KIA is believed to be Dan Bullock USMC, at 15 years old.
    At least 5 men killed in Vietnam were 16 years old.
    At least 12 men killed in Vietnam were 17 years old.
    There are 120 persons who listed foreign countries as their home of record.
    At least 25,000 of those killed were 20 years old or younger.
    The oldest man killed was 62 years old.”

    If you do a full count on all the men in the 20th century who died for their country without being allowed to vote the numbers will be staggering.

    In America there are over 270 women’s commissions, but only one for men in New Hampshire.

    There are over 700 Women’s Studies programs on colleges and universities throughout the United States teaching thousands or tens of thousands of classes from the gender feminist perspective, but not one program or class, teaching men’s studies from the masculist perspective.

    Men are fully half of the victims  of domestic violence (26% of intimate partner homicides), yet are denied service at most tax payer funded domestic violence shelters.

    The CDC reports that in cases of non-reciprocal intimate partner violence (one directional) that women are more than twice as likely to be the aggressor. The report cites that women comprise 70% of perpetrators, men 29%.

    In the largest collection of studies on intimate partner violence known, Martin Fiebert of the California State University, Longbeach offers the following:

    SUMMARY:  This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.  The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.
  • In another study the CDC lists male victims of domestic violence at more than 34%, but men injured in Iraq (and all other men) are by law in California excluded from domestic violence shelter services. Only one shelter in Lancaster, CA accepts men and it has been extensively harassed for doing so.

    That harassment is a systemic problem with origins that emanate from academe. Dr. Murray Straus, an internationally recognized expert on intimate partner violence published the following paper outlining the various ways that feminist ideologues suppress data and research on IPV that demonstrates gender symmetry in its incidence.
  • Men are subject to extreme discrimination in healthcare.

    Men today die on average 6 years sooner than women.  In 1920 the variance was one year.  The death rates for prostate and breast cancer are similar, but because men die of other things more frequently-accidents ,war, heart disease etc., there are fewer men left to die of prostate cancer.  This is akin to saying people from a nation like Zimbabwe are immune to Alzheimer’s- but in fact they die of other things before they can get old enough to contract Alzheimer’s.

    To date, there are numerous federal offices on women’s health, and not a single one for men. Also, the lion’s share of gender specific medical research is done on behalf of women.

    Men and boys are suffering decline in the educational system. Department of Education graph:

    Boys are facing a significantly harder time in early education than girls. Yet girls, from primary education through college still benefit from many more special programs designed to help them gain “equality” with males.

Some info on the wage gap

  • The wage gap myth based on the “comparable worth” paradigm:
    • The wage gap myth based on the “comparable worth” paradigm:
  • While men make more money than women on average, women control and spend vastly more money than men.
  • Women as an economically disadvantaged group is a myth that negatively affects men.

    Not too long ago, legendary adman David Ogilvy chided his peers for talking down to women. He berated those who ignored women or discounted them, misconstruing men’s higher paychecks to mean greater spending clout. And he was right. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, women–who comprise just over 51 percent of the U.S. population, making them the largest consumer segment in the country–control six trillion dollars in buying power annually. Statistics show that:

    Women make 88 percent of all U.S. retail purchases. Some experts even predict that, by 2020, women will control most of the money in America.

    Women control 88 percent of all purchases.

    Women handle 75 percent of family finances. 43 percent of those with assets over $500,000 are women.

    Women influence two out of every three of the 3 trillion dollars spent in the U.S. each year!

    From the Sisters4Sisters Yellow Pages:

        Women are starting businesses at twice the rate of men.

        One out of every 11 American women owns her own business.

        Currently there are over 10.6 million women-owned businesses employing 19.1 million people and generating $2.5 trillion in sales.

        Women make or influence over 85% of all purchasing decisions.

        In 2010, women have the majority of wealth in America.

    Men pay the majority of social security taxes and are outlived by six years by women, but the government makes no fair adjustment to how those funds are distributed.

    In summary, men experience systematic discrimination in parenting, domestic violence policies, education, criminal sentencing, paternity, forced labor, military conscription, public health policies, genital integrity, false accusations, reproductive rights, portrayal by the media and in the coverage of their issues by the news media.

    Misandry is often expressed through racism.

    From Scottsboro An American Tragedy.

    “The protection of white womanhood, it might be the pivot around all Southern culture. Of the 5,000 people who were lynched from 1880 to 1940, most were black men accused of raping or sexually assaulting white women.” – Robin Kelly, Historian

    From American Man

    “In 1931, two white women stepped from a boxcar in Paint Rock, Alabama to make a shocking accusation: they had been raped by nine black teenagers on the train.” … ”- a poor white woman whose lie lends her respectability…”
    PBS Home Video

    Scottsboro An American Tragedy
    The case that sparked the civil rights movement

    As we have seen with the “war on drugs,” legislation like VAWA, primary aggressor laws, mandatory arrest laws and the like have a disproportionately negative effect on minorities and other low income populations.
  • Or the differences in healthcare for men and women in Obamacare program
  • Young men will be the biggest losers in the transition to Obamacare. Reports estimate that males as a whole will see:

        11% increase in insurance premiums compared to 9% drop in females

        Men under 40 will face 18% - 31% insurance hikes compared to females under 40 13% to 19% decrease

        Young men ages 25-36 will could face insurance premiums of 50% or more compared to young females 25-29 who will see 4% increase

I am anti-feminism because feminist spread false facts, claiming the wage gap is due to sexism when its not.

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Feminists also have been fighting to hurt men.

Feminists fight to hurt men (not just radical feminists either) (this info is from oratorasaurus)

Father’s rights group want shared parenting (equal custody) to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit. They feel that men should not be punished for being men, and that women should not be awarded custody to their kids simply for being women. Currently women are awarded primary custody almost all the time, even if the husband was the stay-at-home Dad and the woman was the breadwinner.

Feminists fought against this. You can read NOW’s own statement here. Also note their usage of anti-male lies, i.e. “fathers are abusive, don’t give them custody.” That is from 1997, but still remains valid today.

Men want protection against false rape allegations. They feel that a man’s life should not be ruined simply on the allegation of a woman who may be a vindictive liar. Currently, a woman can accuse a man of rape for no reason, and the man’s name is splashed in the paper and his life is ruined. So, they fought for laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape—not convicted, just charged.

Feminists fought against this, causing it to fail. Also see here, the London Feminist Network campaigning to defeat the proposal.

“The London Feminist Network is a campaigning organisation uniting London based feminist groups and individuals in activism.”

Men want an end to the justice system favouring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.

Feminists fought against this, arguing that no woman should be sent to jail, even women who had murdered multiple people.

Men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies.

Feminists fought against this by trying to suppress evidence showing that half of domestic violence is done by women, by threatening the researchers with bomb threats, death threats, etc. Modern, younger feminists are doing it as well.

And sadly, they were successful in this effort of propaganda. For decades, and continuing today, violent men are (rightfully) convicted and punished by the state, while violent women are left to freely terrorize and harm their partners.

The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting primarily in having only male batterers criminally pursued.

Men want female rapists to be arrested, charged, and convicted with rape. In Western countries, women are rarely punished when raping men, due to the biased legal system. In some countries, women cannot be punished when raping men, since rape is defined as a male-perpetrated crime.

Feminists fought against this in India, arguing that “there is a physicality [in] rape” and that it would make things “more complicated for judges.”

Feminists fought against this in Israel, claiming that changing the law would result in men filing false rape claims.

Men don’t want to be thrown in jail because they lost their jobs and temporarily cannot pay child support.

Feminists fought against this, trying to lower the amount to $5000 before a man is guilty of a felony for not paying child support. If a man loses a decent-paying job, he will now be a felon, go to jail, lose his right to vote, AND be unable to find future jobs—if he cannot regain an equal-paying job within a few months.

Men want equal economic support and help from the government. When the recession hit, male-dominated fields like construction lost millions of jobs, while female-fields like education and healthcare gained jobs. So the government proposed an economic stimulus for those fields.

Feminists successfully fought against this, arguing that it was discrimination to support men, and caused the government to give money to women who didn’t deserve it. Hundreds of professional feminists complained against the “sexism” of helping men (who had lost jobs) and not women (who had gained jobs).

A representative of the Michigan National Organization for Women testified in opposition to the Revocation of Paternity Act, which stopped the old law which stated that if a woman was married and cheated on her husband, the resulting child is considered to be legally the husband’s and the biological father had no legal rights to fight for custody or parenting time with his biological child.

As you can see, the claim that feminism fight for men’s rights is a blatant lie. Don’t believe any feminists that say that. Feminists fight for women’s rights. That is a good thing. Feminists also are happy to harm men’s rights, as shown above. That is a bad thing. Feminism is about female privilege, not equality.

Some may argue that these cases of feminists harming men is not “representative” of feminism. I ask you: Are there any cases of feminists helping men? No. Yet, there are many cases of feminists harming men.

It is reasonable to conclude from these facts that feminism fights to harm men.

Not to mention have you seen what they have been saying?

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government,  eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and  destroy the male sex."

~Valerie Solanas, the SCUM Manifesto

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"The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist."

~National NOW Times, Jan.1988

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"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience."

~Catherine Comins, Vassar College,
Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52

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"The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it"

~Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, in Women and the New Rage, p.67

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“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.”  

~Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

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“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” 

~Valerie Solanas

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“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.”

~Andrea Dworkin

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“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear”

~Susan Brownmiller

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“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.”

~Sharon Stone

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“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.”

~Catherine MacKinnon

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“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.”

~Sally Miller Gearhart

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“All men are rapists and that’s all they are”

~Marilyn French

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“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.”

~Germaine Greer

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"Sex is the cross on which women are crucified … Sex can only be adequately defined as universal rape."

~Hodee Edwards

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"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."

~Hillary Clinton

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MAN: … an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched … a contradictory baby-man …”
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TESTOSTERONE POISONING: … ‘Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from ‘testosterone poisoning.’”

~A Feminist Dictionary

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"Patriarchy requires violence or the subliminal threat of violence in order to maintain itself… The most dangerous situation for a woman is not an unknown man in the street, or even the enemy in wartime, but a husband or lover in the isolation of their home."

~Gloria Steinem in Revolution from Within: A Book of Self-Esteem, pp. 259-261.

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"Women take their roles of caretakers very seriously and when they hear of someone who’s taken advantage of a child, they react more strongly than men do."

~Kathleen C. Faller

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"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it."

~Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan

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"I wonder if he [Martin Luther King] really accomplished things, or if he just stirred people up and caused a lot of riots."

~Melbourne City Councilwoman Pat Poole on her opposition to renaming a street for Martin Luther King

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"Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman’s daughter is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman,"

~Andrea Dworkin, Liberty, p.58

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"Compare victims’ reports of rape with women’s reports of sex. They look a lot alike….[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it."

~Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, “Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation,” Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.

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"The fact is that the process of killing - both rape and battery are steps in that process- is the prime sexual act for men in reality and/or in imagination.".

~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 22..

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"Man’s discovery that his genitalia could serve as a weapon to generate fear must rank as one of the most important discoveries of prehistoric times, along with the use of fire, and the first crude stone axe."

~Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will: Men, Women, and Rape, p. 5..

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"The newest variations on this distressingly ancient theme center on hormones and DNA: men are biologically aggressive; their fetal brains were awash in androgen; their DNA, in order to perpetuate itself, hurls them into murder and rape."

~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 114..

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When asked: “You [Greer] were once quoted as saying your idea of the ideal man is a woman with a dick. Are you still that way inclined?"
Dr Greer (denying that she said it): “I have a great deal of difficulty with the idea of the ideal man. As far as I’m concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene. They pretend to be normal but what they’re doing sitting there with benign smiles on their faces is they’re manufacturing sperm. They do it all the time. They never stop. I mean, we women are more reasonable. We pop one follicle every 28 days, whereas they are producing 400 million sperm for each ejaculation, most of which don’t take place anywhere near an ovum. I don’t know that the ecosphere can tolerate it.”

~Germaine Greer, at a Hilton Hotel literary lunch, promoting her book #34; The Change— Women, Aging and the Menopause#34; . From a newsreport dated 14/11/91

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"One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact that sex and murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the one without the imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible."

~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 21..

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"Sex as desired by the class that dominates women is held by that class to be elemental, urgent, necessary, even if or even though it appears to require the repudiation of any claim women might have to full human standing. In the subordination of women, inequality itself is sexualized, made into the experience of sexual pleasure, essential to sexual desire."

~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 265..

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"AIDS education will not get very far until young men are taught how not to rape young women and how to eroticize trust and consent; and until young women are supported in the way they need to be redefining their desires."

~Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth, p. 168..

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"In everything men make, they hollow out a central place for death, let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives. Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid of passion, meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, still their sobs as they mourn the empitness and alienation of their lives."

~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 214..

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"One of the reasons that women are kept in a state of economic degradation- because that’s what it is for most women- is because that is the best way to keep women sexually available."

~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 145..

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"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks."

~Andrea Dworkin in the Philadelphia Inquirer, May 21, 1995..

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"All men benefit from rape, because all men benefit from the fact that women are not free in this society; that women cower; that women are afraid; that women cannot assert the rights that we have, limited as those rights are, because of the ubiquitous presence of rape."

~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 142..

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"We have long known that rape has been a way of terrorizing us and keeping us in subjection. Now we also know that we have participated, although unwittingly, in the rape of our minds."

~Historian Gerda Lerner in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women, p. 55..

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"How will the family unit be destroyed? …[T]he demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare."

~Roxanne Dunbar in Female Liberation

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"We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.

~Robin Morgan, from Sisterhood Is Powerful (ed), 1970, p. 537

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"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership. Only when manhood is dead—and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it"

~Andrea Dworkin

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"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together…. Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process…. No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children… Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people’s needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all."

~Linda Gordon, “Functions of the Family,” WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969

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"We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men…"

~Elizabeth Stanton, One Woman, One Vote, Wheeler, p. 58

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"Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don’t like it, bad luck - and if you get in my way I’ll run you down."

~Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia. (Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9 February 1996)

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"As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE."

~Marilyn French

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"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter."

~Marilyn French; The Woman’s Room.

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"All patriarchists exalt the home and family as sacred, demanding it remain inviolate from prying eyes. Men want privacy for their violations of women… All women learn in childhood that women as a sex are men’s prey."

~Marilyn French

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"We live, I am trying to say, in an epidemic of male violence against women."

~Katha Pollitt.

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"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."

~Catherine MacKinnon

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"The traditional flowers of courtship are the traditional flowers of the grave, delivered to the victim before the kill. The cadaver is dressed up and made up and laid down and ritually violated and consecrated to an eternity of being used."

~Andrea Dworkin

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"The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations…obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign."

~Marilyn French

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"Men renounce whatever they have in common with women so as to experience no commonality with women; and what is left…is one piece of flesh a few inches long, the penis. The penis is the man; the man is human; the penis signifies humanity."

~Andrea Dworkin

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"You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs."

~Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)

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"Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence."

~Judith Levine

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"Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’

~Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)

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"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things."

~Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men.)

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"Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do."

~Popular Feminist Graffiti

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"I feel what they feel: man-hating, that volatile admixture of pity, contempt, disgust, envy, alienation, fear, and rage at men. It is hatred not only for the anonymous man who makes sucking noises on the street, not only for the rapist or the judge who acquits him, but for what the Greeks called philo-aphilos, ‘hate in love,’ for the men women share their lives with—husbands, lovers, friends, fathers, brothers, sons, coworkers."

~Judith Levine, My Enemy, My love

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"There are no boundaries between affectionate sex and slavery in (the male) world. Distinctions between pleasure and danger are academic; the dirty-laundrylist of ‘sex acts’…includes rape, foot binding, fellatio, intercourse, auto eroticism, incest, anal intercourse, use and production of pornography, cunnilingus, sexual harassment, and murder."

~J. Levine; summarizing comment on the WAS document, (A southern Women’s Writing Collective: Women Against Sex.)

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"All men are good for is fucking, and running over with a truck".

~Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000. Richard had protested the quote; was dismissed thereafter on the grounds of harassment; and responded by bringing suit against the University. 1995 settlement.

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"Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it "Her". Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination.

~Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women

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"On the Left, on the Right, in the Middle; Authors, statesmen, thieves; so-called humanists and self-declared fascists; the adventurous and the contemplative, in every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced and articulated as love and freedom."

~Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women.

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"I was, in reality, bred by my parents as my father’s concubine… What we take for granted as the stability of family life may well depend on the sexual slavery of our children. What’s more, this is a cynical arrangement our institutions have colluded to conceal.".

~Journalist Sylvia Fraser

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"We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable."

~Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women.

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"Catharine MacKinnon maintains that ‘the private is a sphere of battery, marital rape and women’s exploited labor.’ In this way, privacy and family are reduced to nothing more than aspects of the master plan, which is male domination. Democratic freedoms and the need to keep the state’s nose out of our personal affairs are rendered meaningless. The real reason our society cherishes privacy is because men have invented it as an excuse to conceal their criminality. If people still insist that the traditional family is about love and mutual aid—ideals which, admittedly, are sometimes betrayed—they’re ‘hiding from the truth.’ The family isn’t a place where battery and marital rape sometimes happen but where little else apparently does. Sick men don’t simply molest their daughters, they operate in league with their wives to ‘breed’ them for that purpose."

~Donna Laframboise; The Princess at the Window; (in a critical explication of the Catharine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinhem et al tenets of misandric belief.)

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"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire."

~Robin Morgan

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"And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism—the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group—skin, color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism—the oppressed have no alternative—for they have no power but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men—but in the short run it’s going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women—kill your fathers, not your mothers".

~Robin Morgan.

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"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies."

~Andrea Dworkin

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"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference."

~Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime.

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"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist".

~Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey (p. 86).

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"(Rape) is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear".

~Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will p.6

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"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression…"

~Sheila Jeffrys.

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   MALE:…represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants…the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.

    MAN:…an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched…a contradictory baby-man…

~From ‘A feminist Dictionary; ed. Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985:

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"If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal—a large beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students—I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment…of persuading students that women are oppressed

~Professor Joyce Trebilcot of Washington University, as quoted in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women.

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"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex."

~Valerie Solana, SCUM Manifesto (Society for Cutting Up Men.)

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"Men, as a group, tend to be abusive, either verbally, sexually or emotionally. There are always the exceptions, but they are few and far between (I am married to one of them). There are different levels of violence and abuse and individual men buy into this system by varying degrees. But the male power structure always remains intact."
Message on FEMISA, responding to a request for arguments that men are unnecessary for a child to grow into mature adulthood.

And:

Another posting on FEMISA: “Considering the nature and pervasiveness of men’s violence, I would say that without question, children are better off being raised without the presence of men. Assaults on women and children are mostly perpetrated by men whom they are supposed to love and trust: fathers, brothers, uncles, grandfathers, step-fathers.”

~Both quotes taken from Daphne Patai’s excellent critical work,
HETEROPHOBIA
What about some quotes from actual Tumblr feminists?
"Wow, guy with a scratch on his hand, feminism doesn’t need you either, ’cause feminism is for women. Even if we were to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that your injuries were severe and your life was in danger, people not taking you seriously is neither women’s fault nor women’s problem."
- home-of-amazons (to a male who was abused by his girlfriend)
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"We do not need men. Once They have been destroyed, we shall rise up and feast!"
"#I would like to cook all the men and eat them. #And when we are done we will repopulate the earth since nOT ALL WOMEN HAVE UTERUSES #and if anyone grows up to identify as a man #we eat him too"
- realmisandryinhaiku
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"okay but look.

FEMALES ARE SAYING YES TOO.

Granted, it’s less than males, but they are still saying yes.

THAT MEANS THAT NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF TEACHING MALES TO NOT RAPE, BUT WE NEED TO TEACH FEMALES TO KNOW WHAT RAPE IS.

IT IS RAPE IF YOU WERE GOING TO AND THEN CHANGE YOUR MIND.

IT IS RAPE IF YOU “LEAD HIM ON” BUT DON’T ACTUALLY WANT SEX.

IT IS RAPE IF YOU HAVE BEEN TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME.

So don’t only accuse males of perpetuating rape culture, because females need re-educating too. ”

- japhettheprophet

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"And this is why I fucking hate people. Especially males. Fuck them. "

- milkyderp

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i love me some man tears

- wehavetogobacktauriel

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cis white gay/bi men do not get fetishized

sure they experience homophobia, and get discriminated against for being gay sure, but what they experience is NOT fetishization

the definition of fetishization is when you are REDUCED TO A SEXUAL OBJECT ON SYSTEMIC SCALE, an object that is typically seen as UNWANTED, NONSEXUAL AND EVEN DISGUSTING by a gaze that has the power to REDUCE YOU to a sexual fetish in the eyes of society

straight women do not have the mobility in this society to do this to cis white gay men, who actually in many contexts have more power than them in our society

- theroguefeminist________________________________________________________________

"New Policy: any dude who masturbates to lesbian porn will be burned at the stake"

- theroguefeminist

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"I grieve deeply for Anti-Feminist and MRA women.

I know why it is that they espouse the views they do; they think it will protect them.

It is a survival strategy in a world that hates women.

If you side with your oppressor and join them in oppressing other women then perhaps they will not hurt you. They will hurt other women instead.

But it will not save them. Sooner or later the goal posts will shift or they will slip up slightly and then the Anti-Feminist men will turn on them too.

Because despite what they claim it is not “Feminists” or “Bitches” or “Sluts” they hate; it is women.”

- theplaceinsidetheblizzard

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"Saying cisphobia exists is transphobic"

- theroguefeminist

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"A gross thought just occurred to me that any bozo i could be talking to in school or sitting next to on the bus might be some bland loser by day and some dickish rape-threatening, death-threatening anti-sj bigot by night"

- theroguefeminist

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"the fact women associate guilt and temptation and sin with sweets and penance with salad is no accident - the dietary industry and food industry profit from this: they want you to yo-yo - they know that people go on diets, lose weight and gain it back - they know that you will starve yourself then binge in a vicious physically harmful cycle - advertisements associate sin/temptation with sweets and penance with vegetables - they want you to stave yourself and only eat celery and fat free yogurt for a given time, then finally cave into “temptation” and gain the weight back and start over again- and notice these ads primarily target women"

- theroguefeminist

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"to anyone who thinks women being financially forced to do sex work is is
okay because it’s just like any other job someone has to do because they need the money: parents are allowed to force their kids to do work around the house, do you think parents should also have the right to rape their kids?”

- Justicebadass

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"i almost wish all boys/men had to take a class where the entire class was women telling stories about their experiences with assault rape, harassment, sexism etc and the men were NOT ALLOWED TO TALK AT ALL and just had to listen - like maybe they’d watch documentaries or recordings of women and girls where their identities were protected or whatever and maybe there’d be some speeches by activists on larger social trends/statistics and that’s it and that’s all - no papers no “discussions” just them being quiet and listening

this would actually work well with like every oppressed/privileged group

like straight people with queers

cis with trans

white people with POC

abled people with disabled

etc.”

- theroguefeminist

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"Sex in a capitalist society isn’t really sex. Sex involves an act of intimacy between two people. Like an intimate conversation, it could take place between two strangers or two people who know each other well: the intimate conversation could mean a lot to both people or mean very little. But either way, it’s between two human beings who have something to share with each other. But capitalist patriarchy turns sex into a commodity that men obtain to get something else… Robbed of the humanity of communion, sex becomes a mere means to an end, a tool of violence that enables men to achieve domination over an object."

- theroguefeminist

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"Your whole life, you’ve been taught to find joy in PIV. You’ve been taught that it’s good and pleasurable, that there’s something special and sacred about it, and that it’s something to be coveted. Your entire life, you’ve been told that PIV = good.”

- Justicebadass

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"Reverse racism is not fucking racism - racism is a system of oppresison that benefits the white race over others."

- theroguefeminist

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"the tropes of shounen anime dehumanize women and support rape culture"

- theroguefeminist

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"i think we all need to stop for a moment and recognize the real victims of compulsory heterosexuality: women in happy het relationships

seriously, how the hell can you expect sympathy by bringing up how harshly compulsory heterosexuality affects you and then in the same fucking breath brag about how great your boyfriend is???

newsflash: it’s just as hard for lesbians to resist compulsory heterosexuality, we just have no choice in the matter because we don’t have men to fall back to when being a ~~mean and nasty man hater~~ gets too hard”

- Justicebadass

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(while speaking of misgendered trans people) “My point in the matter of misgendering, is that if someone finds it offensive to be called a woman, then they have negative assumptions about women. And that is misogyny.”

- destructivefeminist

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darktower117 asked: Who has more privilege? An upper class female ivy league graduate or a working class male who has to hold down two jobs and a seventy hour work week just to make ends meet?

Justicebadass: the male, obviously

do you understand what privilege means?

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"The fact that a woman is more likely to be murdered by her male partner than anyone else in the world, the fact that being in a heterosexual relationship increases a woman’s chance of being murdered exponentially, leads me to conclude that NO heterosexual relationship can be “safe, sane, consensual”."

- Justicebadass

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"the reason why you are antifeminist is because you have a personal character deficiency and you are on the man’s side so that someone will find value in you.”

- princesswolfgang

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Taking all of that into account, being anti-feminist is for equality.

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what the freaking fuck is this post?

i came across this post this morning on this very feminist-hating rape joke-loving blog, which was the same blog my dude bro friend was sharing posts from about how feminism is *AWFUL* and obviously shouldn’t exist.

anyway lots of this information is inaccurate, biased, made up bullshit, and just plain irrelevant to feminism? i don’t even know how to begin tackling this though, so i asked katy for help.

here’s some great responses/reactions from her:

-the post is dumb like, problems men experience because of patriarchy are because of men, not women? like the reason why most of the military deaths are from men are bc women were kept from active combat for so long, lol, that’s not women’s fault

-men may die more by suicide but women attempt suicide more… i can’t believe they talk so much about suicide while concealing the fact that women attempt suicide more.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1943-278X.1998.tb00622.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false this is a peer reviewed article about how women attempt suicide more than men

-“Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims” hahahah this is a blatant lie

-omg i just clicked on two of their links and got errors from both. both the links for the causes of death don’t work. wow actually a lot of those links don’t work.

-bringing up prison rape is disingenuous i think because men being raped affects a highly marginalized group of men whereas being raped is a risk for like, all women. “Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims” none of their evidence backs up this claim.

-http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims

9 out of every 10 people raped in 2003 were women. rape for both men and women is underreported, but i would buy it’s probably more underreported for men.

-the thing they give where more men report forced sex, more women reported verbal sexual coercion in the same study

-a lot of the data they provide about men is about men in prison and like other oppressive institutions where they are already marginalized, and it completely ignores the statistics of general population, where women are overwhelmingly more likely to be raped

-lol one of their sources is the “national coalition for men”

-uh they were like “valid sources claim women lie about rape” then they linked to http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/prevalence-of-false-rape-claims.html GOD FALSE RAPE SOCIETY

-i think it’s worthy of noting that some of the cases they claim are women lying are women who recanted, i don’t know if you saw it but a woman posted recently online her experience with recanting her case and it was because the police coerced her into it.

http://www.xojane.com/issues/this-rape-victim-was-intimidated-into-recanting-her-charges-but-it-turns-out-she-really-was-raped oh well this will probably work. this kind of thing is something to consider when people call recanted cases “women lying about rape”

(also a good article/source: http://amptoons.com/blog/2009/04/15/eugene-kanins-study-of-false-rape-reports/)

-“We hear a lot about the historical oppression of women’s voting rights, but few if any women who were born in the 20th century were every without the right to vote in their lifetime, upon reaching legal voting age. On the other hand, around 2400 hundred California men (42% of CA men killed in Vietnam) gave their life for their country without being allowed by their country to vote.” lol women weren’t keeping those men from voting, women didn’t make the draft but men kept women from voting

-” There are over 700 Women’s Studies programs on colleges and universities throughout the United States teaching thousands or tens of thousands of classes from the gender feminist perspective, but not one program or class, teaching men’s studies from the masculist perspective.” HA HA HA HA HA oh trust me i have had classes taught “from the masculist perspective”

-"Men are fully half of the victims of domestic violence (26% of intimate partner homicides), yet are denied service at most tax payer funded domestic violence shelters." 1. this is not "fully half" (unless they mean some other uncited data) 2. that means women are 84% of intimate partner homicides. also i don’t even know where they got that data, lol

-"One in 6 women and 1 in 33 men have experienced an attempted or completed rape." AND YET “Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims” that’s fucking from the US department of justice also 85% of domestic violence victims are women. "fully half" my ass

-"In 70-80% of intimate partner homicides, no matter which partner was killed, the man physically abused the woman before the murder.12 " i’m pretty sure that they are including intimate violent homicides where the man beat the woman and then she murdered him in their numbers, i would bet on it.

-this is the point at which i give up out of frustration, LOL, i can’t get over “men are overwhelmingly the victims of rape”… literally not what the US department of justice says

-i noticed they quoted a lot from justicebadass but like, she’s really awful and i’m pretty sure no one takes her seriously

-god that post was so disingenuous with its data

  Let me tell you exactly how wrong you are.

anyway lots of this information is inaccurate, biased, made up bullshit, and just plain irrelevant to feminism? i don’t even know how to begin tackling this though, so i asked katy for help.

Bolded text applies to literally every statistic you’ve mentioned in your commentary.

-the post is dumb like, problems men experience because of patriarchy are because of men, not women? like the reason why most of the military deaths are from men are bc women were kept from active combat for so long, lol, that’s not women’s fault

We’re off to a great start. This is classic victim blaming. “It’s their fault that these bad things happened to them because they’re men.” That’s exactly what you’re saying here.

What little logic behind the “men did it so who cares” thought process is that men are not a gigantic hivemind. They are individuals. Actual people. Not some kind of Zerg horde. You’re blaming 99.9% of men for being victims of institutional discrimination from the 0.1% that are in power. 

You also seem to be unable to grasp the concept of male disposability, because you think that being forced to fight and die in brutal wars is a “privilege”.

??????????????

-men may die more by suicide but women attempt suicide more… i can’t believe they talk so much about suicide while concealing the fact that women attempt suicide more. 
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1943-278X.1998.tb00622.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false this is a peer reviewed article about how women attempt suicide more than men

Men die a LOT more by suicide. 4 times as many men die from suicide as women. But you seem to consider unsuccessful attempts more important than completed suicides? I wonder why that is.

Furthermore, the reason that stat is so inflated for women is because people who attempt to commit suicide and fail are extremely likely to attempt again (and fail again), which greatly skews the statistics.

-“Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims” hahahah this is a blatant lie

Sorry, but your feels do not magically nullify OP’s sources. It doesn’t become a lie just because you really really want it to be.

-omg i just clicked on two of their links and got errors from both. both the links for the causes of death don’t work. wow actually a lot of those links don’t work.

The CDC changes their shit too often. Here’s the first broken link about suicide facts;

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/Suicide_DataSheet-a.pdf

I can’t find the second one, but it IS a well known fact that men have a shorter average life expectancy than women by about 5 years. It’s in this pdf file on the very first page.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_03.pdf

-bringing up prison rape is disingenuous i think because men being raped affects a highly marginalized group of men whereas being raped is a risk for like, all women. “Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims” none of their evidence backs up this claim.

Those men are still being raped. You can’t simply discount it because of your feels. Their evidence DOES back it up, you just decided to handwave it because… again, your feels. And confirmation bias.

Furthermore, men also make up a large number of rape victims outside prison as well. Let me show you a thing.

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

If you scroll to page 18 and 19, you’ll see these tables.

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Same number of men raped by women as there were women who were raped by men. 

The reason this doesn’t come up in statistics anywhere else is because the government uses a gendered definition of rape (centered around the act of penetration) that erases female perpetrators and their victims - both male and female.

-http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims

9 out of every 10 people raped in 2003 were women. rape for both men and women is underreported, but i would buy it’s probably more underreported for men.

-the thing they give where more men report forced sex, more women reported verbal sexual coercion in the same study

-a lot of the data they provide about men is about men in prison and like other oppressive institutions where they are already marginalized, and it completely ignores the statistics of general population, where women are overwhelmingly more likely to be raped

How did I know you would bring up RAINN? The thing about RAINN is that they’re… well, completely full of shit. They literally say right on the page that you linked to that they’re using a gendered definition of rape. 

Rape, as defined by the NCVS, is forced sexual intercourse. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by offender(s). This category includes incidents where the penetration is from a foreign object such as a bottle. 

RAINN and all government sources they linked to on that page use a definition of rape that is either centered around the act of penetration or is strictly defined as either something men do, or something men do to women.

For this reason, almost every stat that comes from RAINN is inadmissable and thus complete garbage.

-lol one of their sources is the “national coalition for men”

There goes you and that confirmation bias again. Handwaving a source because of it’s name. Good job.

-uh they were like “valid sources claim women lie about rape” then they linked to http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/prevalence-of-false-rape-claims.html GOD FALSE RAPE SOCIETY

Annnnd again.

-i think it’s worthy of noting that some of the cases they claim are women lying are women who recanted, i don’t know if you saw it but a woman posted recently online her experience with recanting her case and it was because the police coerced her into it.

http://www.xojane.com/issues/this-rape-victim-was-intimidated-into-recanting-her-charges-but-it-turns-out-she-really-was-raped oh well this will probably work. this kind of thing is something to consider when people call recanted cases “women lying about rape”

One isolated incident. Amazing. There are no real reliable statistics regarding false rape accusations because most organizations don’t collect the type of data necessary. However, the general consensus is that false accusations make up 2-8% of all rape accusations. 

There’s a whole tumblr blog about documenting false rape accusations.

http://falserapeculture.tumblr.com/

Then there’s Brian Banks, who basically had his life ruined by a false accusation;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)

The Duke lacrosse case, which was highly publicized and turned out to be completely false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Then you have Meg Lanker-Simons, who anonymously threatened to rape herself on a university facebook page and then made a huge uproar about it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/meg-lanker-simons-hoax-university-wisconsin_n_3210326.html

There was that time where a man killed himself as a result of a false accusation;

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.ca/2011/08/man-kills-self-after-being-falsely.html

Or that time where a young UK man named Luke Harwood was brutally murdered after being falsely accused of rape.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9788265/Teenager-falsely-accused-of-rape-beaten-to-death-by-gang.html

You don’t have to look far to find stories and articles about false rape accusations ruining lives.

(also a good article/source: http://amptoons.com/blog/2009/04/15/eugene-kanins-study-of-false-rape-reports/)

It is a fairly good blog post despite the fact that it uses manboobz as a source. Congratulations. If only the rest of your commentary was up to this standard.

-“We hear a lot about the historical oppression of women’s voting rights, but few if any women who were born in the 20th century were every without the right to vote in their lifetime, upon reaching legal voting age. On the other hand, around 2400 hundred California men (42% of CA men killed in Vietnam) gave their life for their country without being allowed by their country to vote.” lol women weren’t keeping those men from voting, women didn’t make the draft but men kept women from voting

There you go again - victim blaming men and treating them like a hivemind. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I’ve noticed that you seem to have this problem where you view sexism as some kind of oppressor-oppressed binary instead of accepting the fact that both genders have unique advantages and disadvantages. Perhaps you should stop looking at everything in black and white.

-” There are over 700 Women’s Studies programs on colleges and universities throughout the United States teaching thousands or tens of thousands of classes from the gender feminist perspective, but not one program or class, teaching men’s studies from the masculist perspective.” HA HA HA HA HA oh trust me i have had classes taught “from the masculistperspective”

Women’s studies classes are funny because they teach people to have mindsets like yours. And I’m pretty sure that the OP meant classes about the institutional discrimination that men face and have faced. Kind of like the role that Women’s studies was supposed to play.

-"Men are fully half of the victims of domestic violence (26% of intimate partner homicides), yet are denied service at most tax payer funded domestic violence shelters." 1. this is not "fully half" (unless they mean some other uncited data) 2. that means women are 84% of intimate partner homicides. also i don’t even know where they got that data, lol

All the sources you need regarding equality between genders when it comes to domestic violence. There’s about 200.

And even then, that still doesn’t justify men being denied from domestic violence shelters. Or that male domestic violence victims are ignored or even punished for daring to call the police on a female abuser due to sexist domestic violence policies based off of the Duluth Model (created by feminists!) that basically boil down to “arrest the man”.

A man who calls the police on an abusive wife is 3 times more likely to be arrested than she is.

-"One in 6 women and 1 in 33 men have experienced an attempted or completed rape." AND YET “Men are the overwhelming majority of rape victims” that’s fucking from the US department of justice also 85% of domestic violence victims are women. "fully half" my ass

The DoJ uses a gendered definition of rape, which renders their rape statistics invalid. 

DV statistics based off of arrest rates/conviction rates are also invalid due to sexist DV laws. 

-i noticed they quoted a lot from justicebadass but like, she’s really awful and i’m pretty sure no one takes her seriously

Are you blind to the amount of radfem presence on Tumblr and in real life? You must be.

-god that post was so disingenuous with its data

No, pretty sure it’s just you.

You know, I made a response to crocodilegena's response but your response was ten times better.

hey look the masterpost is back on my dash again <3

That was fucking epic

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sympathy-for-supervillains:

drejofvalenwood:

theroguefeminist:

batched:

I literally do not care about your gender, sexuality or skin colour.

I literally only care about whether you’re a nice fucking human being or not.

so basically you’re racist, sexist and homophobic

how exactly could you have come remotely close to that conclusion

Tumblr, ladies and gentlemen.

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run-cause-hitler:

enayalate-h8-this-year:

bbanditt:

slett:

winchestercodependency:

ibecameacat:

what if all your fingers just turned into tongues… like what would you even do

dude people with vaginas would have the best time getting off

“People with vaginas”

what are those called again

I can’t remember

this is what yahoo payed 1.1billion dollars for 

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